EP28 – How Spirituality relates to Hypnotherapy

Matthew J. Brownstein hosts Donald Smith in this special episode of Illuminated Mind. Donald is a registered nurse and a martial artist. He opened the Dayvin center for holistic health in relation to hypnotherapy.

Welcome, everyone. This is Matthew Brownstein with the illuminated mind Podcast. I’m here with Donald Smith or as you go by for your professional name and hypnotherapy. Now, d Ray just I am so welcome to the podcast.
Thank you. It’s an honor.
Man. It’s good to have you here for sure. So we were talking before we started about where we would go, we definitely want to go into the spiritual themes. I know you’re a registered nurse, you’re a martial artist, you’ve opened the David and center for holistic health in relationship to hypnotherapy. But let’s start with your background. You said that you’ve been a hypnotist since you were 14. So that’s not formal training, right? That was just reading books. But eventually you went through our school relatively at the time of this recording recent graduate, but you’ve seen some clients. So it’s, it’s great. But yeah, tell us about the background and hypnosis and what led you to this school?
Well, so when I was 14, I just read a hypnosis script. And in the middle of a noisy gym, I took two friends and I managed to place them into a hypnotic trance, and bring them back out. And I had never done it before in my life. I was just, it just kind of the words made some sense to me. You know, and I don’t know if it was interest in innate talent. Maybe I could just be a boring guy who knows whatever it was, it brought him down to that state, and brought him back out. And it made sense. And it made sense, you know, almost kind of kinesthetically. So, you know, I could kind of feel in myself, you know, like, what words made sense, like the change in them. And so after that, really, I wasn’t using it for any serious purposes. But I did have some interesting experiences. You know, a person who claimed to be a dragon, I had a family member who got possessed by this, this spirit that said, it was an alien that said, I could use my powers for whatever I wish, but they’d prefer that I use them for the forces of good. And I knew that deeper things can be done. But But frankly, especially for the hypnotist out there, what I really learned was I learned hypnotic induction. And then I learned hypnotic programming. And that’s kind of as far as I got. You, there are other modalities out there. And so I found by the time you know, I was getting out of high school, I’m like, I’m really not doing this seriously. And I’ve got to find serious work. And I never thought I could work seriously as a hypnotist. You know, I’ve tried to open a restaurant, I’ve had all these other jobs, and I thought it would cost too much money, it would be too difficult to get clients and just all of those negative thoughts, feelings and beliefs had not yet been transformed into well, what I have now. So I just go ahead, Matt.
No, no, no, I’m listening. It’s great. Good. So my next question, though, so yeah, just kind of leading with this is, yeah, what led you to our hypnotherapy training, you have the background and hypnosis. But at some point, you decided I hear you talking about like, wanting to have a career and reading a script from a book? Is it obviously enough to have a career? Yeah, no, please keep going. And then I want to hear like transitions into our school.
Well, so that’s the thing is I watch a video on it. I have a friend who his father was one of your early students, anyone that stage hypnosis, they both have the same name, John Hall. And he’s he’s just like an encyclopedia of hypnotic knowledge. So, you know, he would point me at things I’ve seen different things. But the bottom line is, is that I kept using elements of hypnosis in my other jobs. As a nurse, I was great with delirium, tremendous patients, people have alcohol withdrawal, you can’t drop a pin around them, without them flinching and really having a bad time. And I found that if I would call myself down and I would kind of ritualized my actions, which was not dissimilar to the hypnotic process. And even though I’m obviously not putting them in a trance, or doing anything, I could still calm them down. And same with with patients who dementia patients, which again, you know, they forget who you are. And the only way they really remember is by you repeating things, but you being very careful about what you say, and kind of framing what you do when you say in a certain way, that over time you create that relationship. So a lot of you know, another nurse wouldn’t want to take this client, even when I was a student, they may not want to take the client, I’d be more than happy to pretty much every job. I’ve had sales, hockey and car wax at gas stations or, you know, security or working at a hotel and project management, all of it. There was some element of hypnosis, I would always kind of leak in. So here I was in during the COVID era. And I have you know, enough money where I can do something else with myself and yes, I’m a nurse and I could go work as an RN, and I’m like, this is not the best time to work as an RN, I guess it is, but in a way, you know, everybody seems to be getting COVID And there’s something about it. I love working as an RN, but I don’t like working with the insurance companies, all this other stuff. I just started calling people I started calling other professional hypnotists in the area, successful ones, and nobody called me back except for one Her name was Renee Brent. And she set up an appointment with me and she gave me 15 minutes of her time even though I wasn’t a potential client, I would say, Look, I don’t know who to talk to. I want to be a professional hypnotist and professional Hypnotherapist. I want to help people. And I know there’s a school and you can tell me whatever you want about your school or whatever, I’m open, but I, you know, whatever I do, I just want to do this. And I want to talk to somebody else. And she’s like, Well, look, there’s, you know, there is the school, but I’m going to talk to you straight because you know, Renee, and she, she really was helpful in such a way that she did explain you know, things about the school, but it really just gave me some good pointers on what I can do to educate myself and to become a hypnotherapist and what it’s like for her. And so I did end up choosing, you know, interpersonal hypnotherapy as the, you know, how I would want to do it. I didn’t go into your website and read a lot, you know, read a lot there, watch the videos. Again, Renee was a big help because her approach wasn’t like, you know, it’s this or the highway. She’s like, this is just very qualified. It’s not run of the mill. Same with my friend John Holly said, you know, my dad trained with Matthew Brownstein. And it’s just the, you know, the, it’s, it’s such a official, you know, it’s a kind of system there. It’s not, you know, run of the mill. It’s not piecework. It’s a full course work, where you’ll actually learn everything you need. And, you know, with all of these influences that I could agree with Telemedia, you know, that was a direction to go. That’s That’s why I ended up choosing your school choosing the Institute of interpersonal hypnotherapy.
Yeah, thank you for sharing your journey. It’s nice to hear names from the past. John Hall was a graduate of our second class, we had like 55 or something classes. Now. That was all the way back in the seconds. Nice to hear that. Yeah. Renee is the director of course of our Orlando location. And it’s great that she helped to get you into it. So yeah, I appreciate hearing those positive qualities about our school, right, what we bring to the table, I know a lot of what we bring to the table that you and I share in common is a spiritual side, right? That it’s not just about the hypnosis, or hypnotherapy. It’s why we do it because there’s something deeper behind it. So when if you’d like to share with listeners about what your spiritual background is, the shorter version of it, right? Because there’s a lot there, I’m sure. Right. But how spirituality relates to hypnotherapy?
Well, so you know, I just, I have two sides of my family, one very religious, and you know, like a kind of traditional Christian one, much more as we would say, woo. And so I learned meditation and spiritual practices at a relatively early age, you know, it was almost a disadvantage, because all these things are so familiar, but I also that kind of dismissal that a kid has, you know, of any of anything. So something even strange and unexplicable happened in my life. It made sense to me, because, you know, as part of my family that believed that kind of thing, but at the same time, it still wasn’t profound. And it certainly didn’t leave me on any kind of, you know, major path. And so I learned meditation, I saw some strange things, you know, maybe I have a dream. And then the next day, it seems like that dreams happening. You know, there was a point where I worked at an ice cream shop, and the guy died. And I saw him that night after he had died, you know, the manager, he was somewhere else. And then there he was, and I couldn’t really explain that. But the guy that really got me started on this, his name is Christopher Tim’s, and without going into a lot of it, what he said is, you know, he said, Seek first the kingdom of God. And I had never fully accepted Christianity, and I still have kind of my own path. But what it meant to me and you know, the way he explained it, as well as he, you know, he talked a lot like, like you do, Matthew, a lot of people talk about oneness and light, how if you set yourself upon a spiritual path, the other pieces will fall into place. And so maybe for that meeting for half of even the, you know, the presentation that he did, I was like, really in tune with it. And then of course, you get to drive home and you go to your house, and then you play video game or you watch TV, and then you’re back in the mundane world. And I’d study stuff after that. But I didn’t, I wasn’t on a path. You know, I just said that dabbled a little more. It made me dabble a little more. Actually, what really got me on like, fully on a spiritual path was the Institute of interpersonal hypnotherapy. I went I went in there, I’m like, Well, I’ve been hitting the tising people since I was 14. I really just need the paperwork. I know what I’m doing. I’m just gonna, I’m gonna I’m gonna Xhaka mouth they’re gonna be some hypnotic programming will do what I say when they wake up, everything will be fixed. And then of course, I go there and it’s 500 hours of coursework. And among that not only are much deeper practices and techniques, that greatly improved, you know, the framework that I had and really transformed it, but also a lot of spiritual guidance and And the kind of spiritual guidance that, you know, is still principles I’m applying here at the David center today. Specifically, the idea that, you know, you know, we have this oneness we have this thing we can tap into, we can tap into it quickly, too. There’s a lot of tendency in more traditional practices to say, hey, you’ve got to walk this path, you got about 20 years down this path. And, you know, it’s gonna be hard steps the whole way through, you’re gonna have to, you know, you’re gonna have to do something that’s just going to be rough, really rough, we’ll get you through it. And then one day, maybe you’ll feel something or know something. And what I learned in interpersonal hypnotherapy is yeah, there is years of work to do. But that work can start in a moment, it can start just like that you can tap into that love and light almost immediately. And it changed. It really changed my paradigm.
Thank you for sharing and humbly sharing the side of, well, I know how to put somebody in hypnosis, therefore I just need the paperwork, then you’re always playing 500 hours of training, I like to say you just don’t know what you don’t know. Until you know it. And yeah, well, people like Well, I’m ready. hypnotists will say, Well, how many hours of training do you have? Well, I read a book, that doesn’t make you a career professional, right. So I appreciate that side of it, but also the spiritual side of it, like we’re talking about, and acknowledging this training helps you to enhance your spirituality that much more. The one thing that really stuck out, as you were talking about, like us to go deeper into is to seek ye first the kingdom idea. You know, what does that mean to you? Why is that such an important teaching? And like, how does hypnotherapy help us to tap into that?
Well, so, first of all, of course, you know, I don’t know how much time I had spent doing hypnosis and not experiencing it. The only time I ever experienced hypnosis before it was completely on accident is that I, on a lark, I had recorded a tape of myself doing an induction I didn’t even include, at the end a suggestion to remember anything. And then I played it for myself. And I said, Hey, let’s see what happens. And then I woke back up. I don’t know, I didn’t even listen back to it to see what I had suggested. And I was like, Well, okay, I guess I can do it. But I nobody else has done that for me. So forget it. And that was one of the things is the only way you can really, you know, learn hypnosis is you’re experiencing it, you’re doing it for other people were, you know, I had the pleasure of working with Courtney Coleman and Matthew Langford with Renee, over in her Maitland office in Rene’s mainland office. And so I got to experience hypnosis personally, I got to do it repeatedly, and with other people where professionals who are interested in what we’re doing, and in that I started experiencing that deeper state. And I started learning some of the spiritual teachings that we learned in hypnosis or hypnotherapy in a hypnotherapy and interpersonal hypnotherapy. And it kind of restart that original message that I had heard. And also, you know, there are concepts from A Course in Miracles. I’m presently on day 147. I know we’re supposed to start at the beginning of the year, frankly, I’m just glad I convinced myself to start it, you know. But I learned that starting in interpersonal hypnotherapy, and I found that I was spiritually transforming just learning some of these basic lessons and how I could help other people and some of the basic spiritual principles. And then when I visited, you know, A Course in Miracles, I found it was just so transformative, to actually have that daily practice, which is what it was all about. It’s really what I’ve heard since I was a kid and meditate every day, you know, practice loving every day, and I finally started doing it. And that did definitely, that’s the only way I would have started doing that to this extent. I really think the only reason that I’m here, even in the general context of a holistic center, let alone you know, being a hypnotherapist is because of the AI. Ah,
nice. Thank you. Yeah, so tank, experiencing hypnosis yourself realizing you didn’t even know how deep the rabbit hole goes from your own subjects. Or just basic things like put into your hypnotic programming, you remember the entire experience when you come out of it? There is like a here there is a lot more to learn a lot more to experience, and then realizing like there’s a core of what we do that’s based on love Kingdom based on love, light, peace, joy. So you’ve since open the data center of Holistic Health Center, what’s the vision there in relationship maybe to what we’re talking about, or just generally Yeah, what’s the vision?
Well, you know, basically, my two partners just let me loose in this place. And there was a lot of things that I was doing. I had already written you know, I use the Life Mastery. That one of the one of the things that we learned in interpersonal hypnotherapy is to be able to, you know, kind of put all of your dreams into this, this book, and future pays that up, you know, about 10 years and then cut that in half and cut it in half again. And whatever however big your goal is suddenly becomes a lot more smaller and practical. And I really envisioned, you know, once especially I spoke with my partners about possibly working with them, I envisioned, I’d have an office, and then we would have this larger center. And I would have all this video equipment that we would use to kind of bring a lot of people who are in holistic practices, spiritual practices into the 21st century, my mother had worked at a place here, and and it was a fine was just fine what they were doing. But they were still, you know, they had their basic ideas, a lot of people that are websites aren’t updated. They don’t, you know, when they, they do their videos, they do great videos, and very personable, they’re very presentable people, but they’re just in a garden or a little room, you know, or they, they put a little statue in the back or whatever, you know, and it works for him, they can still do what they do. But it’s not what people in other markets are doing. People who are selling other types of products are doing. And so I thought maybe we could have kind of a way to, to bring them into that same kind of, you know, the marketing techniques. The fact that people you know, doing live videos and webinars, show them how that stuff can work, show them how it’s automated, and kind of helped to integrate them into the modern age, where they still get to go out and do what they really want to do, which is their own practice their own way of serving others. And so that way, they don’t have to have all that stress where I’m going to spend the next, you know, month learning about SEO and and hope nothing changes, I’m going to, you know, especially with the professional video equipment, you know, it takes a lot more work to set this up to have multiple cameras, and to actually set up things like even lighting a green screen, that was I thought I knew what I got to get into. And that’s days just to get this thing to work. But you know, now they can come in. And what we offer them is pretty much anybody can come in, and anybody actually can email me, they can do it remotely, if they’re in the area, they can come in here, there’s no other, you know, requirement or offering there, we’re not going to, you know, harass them for the rest of the things that we can do. If we can be of service, that’s fine. But we give everybody about three to five minutes to promote
an area and spirituality modality or a way of you know, like, say Reiki, that’s what Neil does. So he’s already got a video that he’s made for that we have people who do energy work, we have people who do acupuncture, and you know yoga and other practices even in hypnosis, you know, I’m doing the main hypnosis video, but how many different techniques, modalities concepts, the fact that hypnosis can integrate with spirituality, there’s somebody out there right now that’s helping people with autism to, to acclimate and social situations, using hypnosis, there’s so many uses for it, that we could really just talk all day, you know, meditation. So we basically have somebody come in and talk about what they do, they get a chance to promote. And then we put that up on YouTube and on our social media. And now they’ve got their name out there, they’ve got all their contact information. And instead of us trolling for likes, on Facebook, and on YouTube, or using some of these other marketing techniques, which are, you know, they’re honest, I guess, in their own way, but you know, it’s having, it’s okay to have your friends and family like your page. That’s okay. But it’s a lot better if I’m providing a service to all these people. And then they have a reason to like us. And we have a reason to like them. That’s organic, that’s of service, I know I’ve given if I receive, it’s only because I am in a state of giving. So everybody gets the five minutes. And then if they have extra time, we’ll interview and then the interviewer has a series of spiritual questions, that they can just talk about their beliefs, and what they you know, what their spiritual path is what they do. And you know, what they don’t believe in, in generally our policy as long as it’s love. As long as there’s compassion and understanding for others, then, you know, you can say your piece. And again, that all goes up. And what all of that is is also material for us to do our own coursework in some of the people we’ve already got about two or three people are very interested in providing us with enough material, if not recording right here in front of the green screen to teach about what they do or teach how to do something of what they do. You know, Reiki has multiple levels, other energy workers, even each energy worker that you know, has their own very unique approach. And all of them have some new wisdom that they can bring. So if we bring them all together in one place, then people will want to go there and that’s kind of our business model is again we’ve given we’ve given we are are promoting everybody’s coming in as his chance to be promoted. And then now if you know we’re making money as a business, we’re doing it to keep our doors open. And, you know, I have the side side benefit of it’s all you know, I hypnotherapy offices here. So it’s a very good way organically to get clients.
Hmm. Beautiful. It sounds like you are highly invested in helping others to succeed and to give away as much as you can to create community to bring people together to create more leaders. And practically, I’m hearing that perhaps some of our students or graduates might utilize your services where they could have a relatively short like three to five minute video professionally made, where they’re presenting their practice encouraged to bring in spiritual themes. And that’s going to help them with their business as far as SEO or social media presence just have a very high quality video that’s helping to promote them. However, thanks to that want to give us your contact info, how do we contact you? Okay, one, two.
So, d re Josiah is is the name for me as a hypnotherapist, and right now, I kind of am the David center, I definitely I have two great partners. I’m just I’m the one that gets locked into building every day. So what we’re doing is as we develop the Dave and center for a grand opening in January, we want to go ahead and get that background, you know, that backbone of the business and build. And that’s those videos is how we’re starting to get a hold of me on D Ray J DRAYJ. De re j.com is my website is a hypnotherapist D re J at D re j.com is how you get a hold of me, and anyone is welcome to email me. And we can we can work something out. And like I said, those those two things that I just talked about, that is not there’s nothing else attached to that offer. It’s really it’s a principle that I learned in interpersonal hypnotherapy. And it’s kind of blossomed into this principle that I found that as I do this, I’m getting really good responses. And this whole thing is blossoming and becoming something so much bigger than than even I imagined. So anybody that’s listening to this podcast can absolutely contact me. You can find me again through my website, D re j.com drayj.com. Or you can email me D re J at D re j.com. Or Or D re at David center. But really, it’s all me.
Okay, well, I’ll find you somehow by Google, you know, it’s not awesome. And I’m sure we can put links in the description, when our team gets this up and running. So I was looking at your website, I noticed there’s a meditation component to what you do. Yeah, yeah, come talk to us about that I, you know, I’m a been a long term meditator. It’s one of my passions, I spend hours a day, you know, on a meditation cushion. So yeah, tell me, what is your approach to that? And why is it so important?
Well, so again, you know, a lot of this stuff, I was introduced as a child, you know, to these concepts, and, and, again, children, you know, they’re surrounded by distractions, you know, and so things like fast food, and television, and toys, and games, you know, were just more appealing than meditation. And even though I could actually enter into a relatively deep state relatively quickly, I didn’t do it. You know, I was just a kid, being a kid. And, and you know, and being a teenager, I would do it occasionally. And I still just wasn’t doing it. And so in my 20s, one of the things again, I was just kind of dabbling in these different topics is a read a book by dang being Dow, called 365, Dow. And it’s just a book, it’s a daily devotion on Taoism. And one of the things you talked about was these little moments of quiet, little moments. And it was so different than what I had kind of learned and what I kind of even, it wasn’t even necessarily that it was communicated. To me, it’s just what I would see is that it looked like meditation, you wouldn’t have to go sit in a dark room for three hours, and that’s meditation, or got any time for that I gotta go to work. I gotta go play a game, I got to do something that’s not sitting in a room alone being quiet for three hours, and dangling down, suggested, you can just steal these little moments, any, anytime you could do it right now, people listening to me can hear gaps in the words that we are speaking and every one of those gaps, you have that silence. If you are in the moment, even as I am talking. You can kind of let that flow and you will start to enter into that state. And you have a very powerful technique, where we look up and in and we get into that place, and preferably that we stay there and it’s this whole idea of you talked a lot about this in Zen, something that happened to me and actually one of the reasons why that that meditation you’re talking about is up there is is, you know, you sent me this email out of the blue? I’d been manifesting and figuring out, how am I gonna get more clients. And within three days of me, like I done it off and on and within three days and be like, I’m gonna manifest every day, I got an email from you. And then I’m like, oh, and I’m like, I listened to the podcast a little bit. Well, let me get familiar with it. And then I kept listening, because you have recovered into the school, but you need to listen to some things a couple of times over, including the coursework from the school, it’s very, you know, there’s a lot of information very dense. And also, kind of like in martial arts, I found, you know, the thing that you heard the first day, you know, like, 10 years later, you’ll hear that again, and suddenly, there’s all of this other knowledge connected to it. So you have a whole review there on how to start a hypnosis business, you go into even more depth in your school. But nonetheless, it reawaken that. And I said, Oh, yeah, and I’m not doing all this stuff. So I immediately I got my Google Ads going. And, and I knew there were these other kind of organic methods, we can afford to keep the doors open here, we can’t afford until we have our grand opening to say put up billboards, anything like that. So it’s more organic, and you’re not quite guerrilla tactics, I’d say but very kind of middle ground until we’re fully running. So the bottom line is, I guess is that I reviewing that that really turned me on to this into the end and told me that the meditation that I learned that that trick that I learned from you the trick I learned from dangling down, I could apply these concepts and what I could do specifically and it says for the hypnotist, listening, really anybody in any especially holistic business, anything that uses your voice, or video, or any way that you can present yourself. And I credit this to Jason, Lynette, who does a lot of hypnotic business stuff is that you take the business card size piece of paper, you get it printed, I’ve got a really nice logo on one side. And when I put up put on the other side, it’ll have my info that it’ll say, for a free hypnosis, audio, go to my website, learn the D re J moment. And so I have offers of all things from a dispensary locally that’ll hold my cards, and then some of these other local businesses will and then other people that like to be an exchange or just other people will we’ll take, we’ll take those as well. When I you know we have we’re surrounded by doctor’s offices here. So I right there on my website, I’m really trying to appeal to medical professionals and everything that you see on there. That’s my objective is in this next month is to replace all those little spots with video, kind of like my primary video. But that’s the bottom line is that all of that is leading people to the website, they get the free download, they get the free audio, they watch the video and learn something from that. Now they’ve interacted they’ve they’ve gotten something they received. And so if we’re meant to work together, they may know a little bit more about me they have a method that they can follow. And now they’re more invested to actually try me out instead of moving on just because Oh, that’s a nice website. What’s this guy’s wants that guy? Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. I like how I’m listening to your mind, the way you process information the way and two questions you never seem to deviate from. Also, the business mindset, which I’m acknowledging is I’m appreciating and commending you on is in our field. When I asked you a question about meditation. And you talked about meditation, we also talked about getting the word out there. It always seems to be for you realizing okay, I’ve got this, I’ve got this idea of being where is it the D re Josiah moment, right? Like, you’ve got these ideas, you can teach people to get into the zone. But if you don’t put the message out there, nobody really knows about it. So it’s almost seems like for you, you got your place, not just on a podcast yesterday, we’re talking to like, Who are you going to be when you grow up spiritually? And it’s not just okay, I can sit in three hours in the dark and meditate by myself. Now I’m spiritual. It’s like, well, that’s remarkably selfish. You when you answer the question about meditation, you’re encouraging people, okay, you can be in the moment, you can take those moments, just listen to the space between the words like be right here now. And then this is how I’m getting that message out there. I appreciate hearing that. It’s not just about you. Your spiritual spirituality always seems to be around other people, which shows that you’ve gotten somewhere on the path, right? It’s not just a selfish endeavor.
Well, thank you. It’s very nice to hear. Yes, I I feel that way. You know, what happens to me is, is if I put in at Howard here at the David center, I’ve worked other jobs like that and those jobs I’d leave home burn, you know, I’d leave home and come home burned out here. I feel great. I’m energized all day I even get home and I’ll still like mow the lawn or take out the trash or do something because I’m still pumped. I just feel good. I feel like like the Is is a an actual integration of business. And you know, of my spirituality just because I’ve got to eat, you know, I’ve got the things that I want the list of things that I wanted when I was successful keeps shrinking, because I’m kind of already there. I just really want it to be sustainable. That’s really why there’s even a business aspect at this point.
Sure, yeah. The way to make it sustainable is keeping of service to other people like, what is one of the secrets of being wealthy is find a need and fill it and there’s so many people out there who need hypnotherapy, they need to open their hearts and clear their emotional blocks. They need meditation to know how to be in the moment, they need to be reminded, like you are getting these reminders like, Oh, I know hypnosis, I know meditation. But then, you know, go through this training, I hear that it helps you to realize how to practice what I’ve been, I’m gonna say preaching, but you know what I know, right? Like, there’s knowledge and there’s wisdom and wisdom is just to really utilize what you know. So on the notion of wisdom, if you could broadcast one message to the whole world, one thing like the one key piece of knowledge that’s most important to you that you’ve learned over the years, what would be that one message?
It can be, you can really seem like there are all of these other messages. But the message really is to love yourself, and love other people. And it seems like it’s like something you’d see in the back of a Hallmark card. But it’s so true. And the beginning of that spiritual path can seem like they’re all of these things in the way. If you clear those blockages, and you move forward, you will find you are heading to that love. And that that seems to dissolve all of that other negative stuff, all those other struggles. They just clear out of the way. It’s amazing when your life lines up truly seek first the kingdom of God see first this path. And you know, things just just start working.
That sounds like real wisdom, say what is the highest and you go right to love like the great poet Hafiz. He said the subject tonight is love. In fact, that should be the subject every night. Why should we talk about anything else? And like, you know, you brought up A Course in Miracles, which I’m glad you did. And you know, the course begin saying this is a course on love. That’s a required course. Like, eventually, we’re all going to have to return to love anyway. So the reminder, like seek the kingdom, meaning like, you know, find love, find that one truth. And so thank you for being out there in the world, having gone through this training and creating ways to help to empower people with videos, and to work with your colleagues to grow something beautiful. And it’s nice to hear that it’s just the tip of the iceberg for your big vision because you’re used our Life Mastery Course. And you’re working backwards. So this is just the small part of what we’re eventually going to see. So thank you so much for joining me here. I certainly hope anybody who’s listening can reach out to you to have a session, create a video and be part of your vision. And yeah, we can keep collaborating too because I’m sure a lot of our, our staff, people that we work with can benefit from working with you. So we’ll keep an open door there.
I look forward to it. Thank you so much, Matthew. Yeah,
of course. Thank you. It’s been a pleasure. Thank you.