EP6 – Was Jesus a Hypnotist? Part 2

Then incorporated a lot of that information into our schools training. Because it can be really scary when your client is in hypnosis and their words, you know, they’re speaking Latin, but they don’t know Latin, you know, in a kind of demonic way can be pretty scary. It doesn’t happen that often. But I am saying about once every six months or being full time practice, you’ll probably encounter some degree of this phenomenon. And again, we have very thorough training in it. So if we just go back to Jesus for a moment there when he’s casting out of demons, did he have to believe they existed or not? I don’t know. But did he deal with the issue as it was presenting itself? It sure seems like the answer would be yes, right. The man comes he seems to be possessed by demons. How is the treatment approached in what we call the phenomenological reality. And what that big word means is you deal are phenomenological religious means how a person perceive something is true for that.

Hey, everyone, welcome back to illuminated mind. This is your podcast for exploring some of the deeper ideas about what it means to be human in today’s complex world. I’m your host, Corey Benschop. And I really appreciate you tuning in today. So this is part two of our series on was Jesus a hypnotist. And if you haven’t caught the first part yet, I suggest you go back to the last episode. And listen to that one first. Because today, we’re going to catch up on the rest of Matthew’s conscious community class. And this is where he’s teaching, you know, past graduates of our institute, about just different really interesting topics. So in this section of the class, Matthew is going to talk about the different beliefs that are really required to be an effective hypnotherapist in today’s world, and sort of draw the parallels between what we’re doing with this belief system that we have, and obviously the belief that Jesus must have had when he was performing his miracles back during his life. So Matthew is going to talk about some different stories and sort of how Jesus would teach through parables and how that’s similar to metaphor therapy that we do today. Just really, why all of this stuff works, and what’s required in order to allow it to work. And then you’re gonna want to listen till the end, because Matthew actually gives a recount of one of his personal sessions, that was really interesting, where, you know, there was sort of this entity attached to his client. And well, I don’t want to ruin the story, because it’s really, really fascinating. So just make sure you listen to the end. And, and you’ll catch this really cool story. All right, so enjoy the rest of this class,

though it is important, as we say, which is the hypnotist? Generally, I think it’s the same, the same No, right? The term didn’t even exist, you’ll never see the word that word in the Bible. So by definition by occupational title definition, no, not hypnotist, a hypnotherapist? There’s something other things we can learn from this. There’s just a role model, I believe. Absolutely. And then whatever else you believe about him is really your personal Jesus. We know, I think most of you know spoken parables, right? He was doing what we might call metaphor there. Now, as one who spoke with authority, who gathered a group of people around him, he told stories, the stories, most scholars would say, they really have multiple levels of meaning now, so not only was he giving direct suggestions, right, so Lazarus, who was supposedly dead, Lancers get up and Lazarus gets up, right. So in the last miracles aboard, I think it is the last miracle that written about temporary transfiguration. But before that, erase the data again as a matter of faith, yet, the way it’s worded is he walks over to the man who’s lying there dead and says, Lazarus Get up. And hypnotherapy we would call that direct suggestion and there’s no more ability I think, to give a more confident statement, like I love to see any one of us are my graduates, are you like well trained hypnotherapist who walks up to someone who’s clinically dead, and says, Get up and the person does. It’s not recorded in the field of hypnotherapy or mesmerism. As far as I know, that’s direct suggestion. So again, when your hypnotherapist giving direct suggestion, you want to say is if you know it’s true. So before we go back into indirect suggestion, which Jesus also used, there is the concept of belief, right, we said we talked about before, there’s four major things, I believe, that are very helpful as a hypnotherapist to believe. And again, belief is always just building. So it doesn’t mean actual facts. So my opinion, therefore, is it’s good for you to believe in yourself as a hypnotherapist. If you don’t have confidence in your training, confidence in your skill sets, confidence in you confidence, your ability to deliver clients gonna pay you, our graduates are usually told to charge about 70 to $90 per hour. And usually we do two hour sessions. So you might be charging $180 per session, you need to believe in your ability to deliver right charging was $200, then you might have to do, let’s say three session, right, so let’s say what is round, let’s round down, let’s say you walk away with $500 worth three, three session package with your client, right? Now, you can feel good about yourself if you don’t believe in your ability to use those techniques. So number one, I believe in myself is a well trained confident hypnotherapist. And again, I can’t emphasize enough with state licensed diplomas. And then if that doesn’t help with your your confidence to know that in our school year, diplomas are backed by the Department of Education, that helps a lot. And again, 500 hours or more of training will help a lot. And then of course, you doing your own work inside of yourself to get over your own insecurities and fears will help a lot to go out there. And then some attitude nurses, and deliver direct suggestion number two inspires belief goes, I need to be confident in my head. If I don’t believe in the power of hypnosis, or the power of what I’m doing that I’m not going to feel obviously good about delivering the suggestions. There’s a formula for inducing hypnosis, in the classical model, which is a little bit different than what we’ll get into in a moment, when you look at a more metaphorical style, a more powerful style of hypnosis, therapeutic storytelling, if you will. In classical hypnosis, there’s a clear formula for how we induce trance tonight isn’t the place to go into that. However, there are certain things we would do in someone’s standing, who would say things like look into my eye, it’s called fixation, that’s part of the formula, there are lots of things that we do, I have to basically understand those things and believe that those things are going to cause an altered state, when those are initiated. Now, again, the confidence of you and your skill set. So believe in yourself, believe in your techniques. And then you have to believe in your client, the client ideally needs to believe in you. But you have to believe they can heal. So think about when Jesus said to the paralyzed man, get up and walk and the guy gets up and walks. Again, it’s up to you to believe that those documents those records are true. And then he says to the man who’s dead, Lazarus, right, yeah, you’re not doing you’re just sleeping, get up. And he gets up and he walks, Jesus had to believe in at least I don’t know what technique was going on there. Even though I’d love to understand that I dedicated my life basically try to understand, I went as far as I could with it. And I’m still open to learning. But again, the power of the mind seems to be a pretty important part of all this. And the hypnotists. Or, in this case, again, I’m not saying Jesus was having this. But in the moment where he said, Lazarus Get up. He spoke with direct suggestion with complete authority and believe that what he said would cause result. But he also believed in his claim, because if he didn’t believe Lazarus could do it, then it wouldn’t have worked either. So you as a hypnotherapist want to train yourself, you might say hypnotically programmed yourself, to see your client far better than they see themselves. It’s your job to see your client is perfect, whole and complete. If you see your client is sick, or lacking, or anything negative at all, then that’s both Jesus in this one position here by itself. So who needs to be healed? First, you or your claim? One of my books is called the sutras on healing and enlightenment, you find it amazon.com will pluck there. The sutras on healing and enlightenment talks about the importance of the healer being heal, but also the talks about how both the healer and the one healed are both healed in the process of tricky, so I don’t have to be, in a sense, experiencing myself is perfect calling complete, to help my client return to wholeness as well. So sometimes some of our students even graduate will say things like I can’t go into private practice, because I haven’t got my act together yet. Now, there’s some degree that might be true. And then our graduates or students are told, get hypnotherapy, kill yourself and then go out there and heal the world. But you don’t have to be in it’s really a concept that doesn’t really exist in actual reality, completely healed healer, none of us. I believe, unless you’re Jesus, perhaps none of us are going to claim to be perfect, right. So as a hypnotherapist I don’t have to be completely healed. I don’t have to have some special power. I don’t have to be charismatic. They don’t have to be anything but myself. But I have to have certain skill sets and be comfortable with myself to use those. And I have to train myself enough to believe that there’s something inherently wonderful about me, this does tie into my personal spiritual beliefs that who we are is awesome inside by now, again, I don’t want to be too religious tonight on a topic like this. But personally, I acknowledge that there’s something divine about each and every one of us right in Hinduism and India is a nama state. That means the divine in me, vows to where acknowledges the divine in you. So in that model of simple nama stay, I acknowledge something spiritual. And I’m pointing that down when I say that there’s something spiritual about who I am, there’s something spiritual about who you are, we don’t have to be fully actualizing that to be able to be amazing hypnotherapists or you might say healers in this world, sell physician heal thyself, therefore, you get a sense of your own personal wholeness, and you believe in the wholeness of your client, even when they do not. And I believe when Jesus was looking at people, he wasn’t seeing the way they judge themselves so horribly, right? And you could get into this whole concept of your sins are forgiven you. Right. So how many of the miracles is that forgiveness formula occurred? I can’t count it. I don’t know exactly. And I don’t think it needed to occur and turning water into wine. But when it came to the miracles that involve human cure, forgiveness was happening a lot, maybe every time but you know, we have to go and look at every single one of those miracles. But you hear about the term forgiveness all the time, Your sins are forgiven. Why would that be so important? In hypnotherapy, we just look at the concept of guilt, and psychosomatic illness. making yourself sick is a great way to punish yourself, it’s a great way to call out for love. Really, that’s all it is. It’s just a call for love. But it’s a misguided way that I will attack myself I will punish myself one way or another, causing lag causing limitation causing dis ease in my life. And so instead of with us as hypnotherapist saying your sins are forgiven you, we would just help the client to forgive themselves and to return to love. That, to me is the essence of the miracle actually, when we say I’m helping you to go into hypnosis, and to be spiritual, religious for my clients in the room, I mean, not at all, we match the client in their model of reality. And then when we find out this person is beating themselves up, this person feels guilty. Then using skillful means in Sanskrit that’s called the rupiah to what relatively well known Eastern term rupiah, meaning skillful means without the skillful means you can’t you can sink out this person I see this person is beating themselves up. But I don’t have the techniques to get them to stop doing that to get their subconscious mind that pathological inner critic, this stop condemning and attacking oneself. Once that does stop when you forgive yourself, then the psychosomatic illness tends to drop away. This is where we see what we might call real true miracles, that some miraculous shift occurred in the mind where you stop punishing yourself and physical change followed. Alright, so we talked about direct suggestion, we talked about the power of belief and forgiveness. And some of those themes. Let’s go back to Christ was using parables. He was teaching through metaphor as a hypnotherapist in our school, we have a session of training, which you could certainly go deeper into, because it’s not our primary focus here. But we do teach you metaphor therapy, we do touch upon ericksonian hypnotherapy. Now, I’ll tell you why we don’t go too into it. Even though on some level, it’s ingenious to communicate in these ways. So when you see the way Milton Erickson would tell stories to other people and transform their lives, it was ingenious, you might say, Jesus, the stories and the transformations that occurred, what happened because of this one man, again, without being too religious. Just think about for a moment that power of someone who tells stories. It’s not all Jesus did, of course, but one man who the 2000 years ago, who lived for only 33 years, mind you, who we only know about three years of his life, right? You know a little bit about the birth, you know, little about what happened when he was a teenager, right around that age. And then right before his Bar Mitzvah, by the way, kids, he was Jewish. And then after that, there’s virtually nothing, there’s like nothing until you hear the stories in the New Testament, which are the last three years of his life. So really what someone did only in a three year period of time, look with it into the world. And let’s not talk about the negative stuff that humans did with it. But all the beauty that has come out of one person who yes did a lot of other things, but told some very powerful stories who have absolutely influenced humanity in significant ways. And again, I only want to focus on the positive. So when we tell a story as a hypnotherapist, we’re communicating on two levels. And I’ll just give you a brief understanding of that and then again, we go deeper into it in the school. There’s something in metaphor called a simile, which basically is acquainting one thing with another. This is like that. Right? So the mustard seed, or the sheep, when Jesus would talk about something, he’s clearly talking about something the scripture actually, if you really study it from a metaphysical perspective, usually has about at least four levels of meaning. Right. So if we look at even the biblical Garden of Eden type of theme, by Adam and Eve, that whole story has multiple levels of meaning, and can be used as it has been to teach many different lessons. Right now, I would just suggest, as it suggests, as a hypnotherapist, when you learn how to communicate with multiple levels of meaning, you can go induce change in the client. And again, especially the concept of the power of the stories in the sense of, again, what we’ve seen out of the life of one person, or what however you define that Jesus was, through the power of storytelling, are able to create a resonance with the subconscious mind, that doesn’t actually happen through direct suggestion. So what we teach you in this school how to do with your client, it’s a very interactive process with your client, you don’t have to be as ingenious as people like Jesus or Erickson, you simply learn to tell the story to your client or to your clients, child, children aren’t always as receptive to classical hypnosis. But if we tell them a nice story, then we can really invoke some nice change, we can even induce the altered state of hypnosis in a child without them even realizing we’re doing it, and then tell a therapeutic story to help them to find benefit, we can recommend those teachings to their parents, and then their parents can go ahead and use that for their children at home. So the reason I’m not a huge fan of this style, is when you look at the way Erickson did hypnosis, it requires you being able to do what in neuro linguistic programming is to map his mind and what’s called the Milton model, you have to say, and this is what I’ve personally done with the teachings of Jesus or the teachings about Jesus. So in neuro linguistic programming, we have a presupposition that says, if someone else can do it, so can you now, if you put Jesus in a human category, which a lot of Christians don’t, so it’s important to be respectful of that. Yeah, meaning he is divine and not human. We’re just humans that he’s denying that is a not the only but a fish in perspective. However, yeah, we look at Jesus just in the human perspective, and Milton Erickson or anyone who’s done something great, like I said, a role model, if they can do it, so can we we just have to know what are they doing in their mind to get the same results so the founders of NLP, Richard bandler, and john grinder, founded what’s called the Milton model, and they really dissected Milton Erickson’s mind and they said, Okay, what is he doing this making him such a great hypnotherapist? That is a perfectly valid field of study yet is my mentor, Mr. Gil Boyne, who is a much more direct style of hypnotherapist really felt that that way was not as effective because it requires the concept of hoping in the therapeutic story in telling a parable to your client, you’re hoping the client gets it. If I tell you a story right now, I’m hoping that it resonates with you and that it means something. The problem is, it may not. So what we teach you in this school is you actually design the metaphor with your client. So I will go something like this. Okay, client, you’re coming in with anger issues, please a real simple one. Right? And I can say client, what is synonymous, fear, anger? What is this simile to your anger, we would just say my anger is like, like, my anger is like a volcano in that it erupts uncontrollably. Now as a hypnotherapist, that’s all I need. I can tell a story about a volcano, and how somehow that volcano learn to chill out, right, or to just kind of hard to relate maybe to a volcano, because it’s not a living being in the sense of organic organism as we would define it. We might relate it to something else. So a client, that’s helpful. And then when I say the client is ever wrong, right, but give me another way to look at it. So that’s one example. My anger is like a volcano, what’s something else? They say? My anger is like the Hulk. So you know, when I get so angry, I turn green, which is probably not the case. So we want to find the lead character called the protagonist of the story that the client can really resonate with. And eventually working with the client, we find out that it say something like, my anger is like a wolf, in that I will attack when I feel threatened. I would say okay, great. Now we tell a story about a little Wolf, who is brought up and no, we just go through the whole story about how and there’s a whole formula of how to develop the story that you learn in this school. So I don’t know that Christ was using the same formula. But we do know clearly that the stories in the New Testament are talking about how he spoke in parables. There’s a formula that has been developed over the years for how to do that in a way that can most with the highest degree of probability, allow for change to occur in your client. All right, let’s talk about something else that Jesus was doing that we, as hypnotherapist absolutely touch upon passing out of demons. Now, is there a reference to this and other traditions? Absolutely. Is that reference to it in Judaism or in the Old Testament? Not much, actually. But there is and in the Dead Sea Scrolls. There’s, there’s 150 songs, I believe, being accurate about this, in the Old Testament, but the Dead Sea Scrolls have additional songs, and Psalm 151, which is not in the canonical books, and the Bible itself. I believe it’s that one, but there’s definitely somewhere I believe this. They came the songs of David was the ability to sing songs to cast out or to exercise. Now how that word is actually interpreted does have debate around it. But it wasn’t obviously unknowing to people in Jesus’s time, that there was a concept of casting out of demons. Right. So Jesus was clearly according to those, the writings in the new test was clearly doing that, and teaching his followers to do that. So what’s that all about?

I just met a gentleman the other day, who found out who I am in this field and a therapist, and he’s a medical doctor, and he confided with me, so I’ll be very confidential about this. But he basically said, I went to a hypnotherapist, and all this energy was moving to my chest was like a motor or grinding in my heart. And I’m like, it doesn’t really sound like traditional hypnotherapy. You know, you’re sure you just went to like a hypnotherapist, because I don’t really hear that type of thing that much. He’s like, he was pulling something out of me. And like Taiwan, again, that doesn’t sound like traditional hypnotherapy. And then eventually, it just went on to say, it was like, there was this demonic force, like this entity inside of me. And basically, actually, he didn’t even use the word anger. He just said, there was like this, this like, this being inside of me that he helped to pull out of me. And I said it probably to do a lot of anger dinner. He’s like, yeah, I said, so you’re probably dealing with a lot of your own anger issues. Yeah. Now that isn’t to say that what this gentleman was referring to, was only his own emotion. So in our transpersonal, hypnotherapy training, we have a pretty significant section that teaches you how to deal with what we call the entity attachment phenomenon, it’s a very cool topic is people usually can’t wait to get to it in the training, because it comes up usually well before like, now, it comes up well, before we even get to it. I will say when I was in full time, private practice, about once every six months, which is a lot, when you add it up to some of these encounters are pretty intense, I would encounter some thing that clearly did not appear to be the client. So when you put someone into hypnosis, you can talk the subconscious mind in different ways. And sometimes the response that you hear back is not sounding in any way like the client. And the client even tells you during the hypnosis experience or after. They’re like, what was that? Or if these hadn’t recorded this session, which you actually hear recording of one of my own sessions, and my client gave me permission to use. This was not in the demonic category five, an entity really spin session. And I can tell the story briefly, just to give you guys some sense, in case you don’t know what we’re talking about, this woman had come in to me, severely overweight, I guess she was a morbidly obese, not a term but very overweight. She was extremely childlike, this overly laughing ugly, almost very hard. I really like this woman as a person. And yet it was very hard just to match her energy because it was just so childlike. There was it was almost as if her inner child, kind of very stunted. There’s a lot of inner child and never grew up. That’s what it seemed like at first. And then, every so often in hypnosis, we worked together for about a year, so I got to know her quite well, she would just switch a little bit in hypnosis. And one day, we’re doing something that we call parts therapy, where we talk to what are called sub personalities, different aspects of the subconscious mind. Now multiple personality disorder, nothing that would be diagnoseable. But just talking to the part of her who wanted to lose weight. So we have the part who wants to lose weight. And then we have a another part that came in which is called hungry. I said, Okay, so let’s bring the part of me that wants to overeat. And when that part is here, that part can say I’m here. Then she said, Hi, I’m here, or like, and then as we’re talking to this part, it’s this part is the whole, we said, So what’s a good name for you the parts like baby, and then say, because that’s what they call, like, okay, you know, obviously your parents call the baby. So I’m just, you know, assuming this is just a part of the client’s night. This is story keeps unfolding, this little being starts talking about when she died, and how her parents were fighting. So she ran out of the house and went and hid in the woods. And she couldn’t find her way back to the house and covered herself and leaves and it was really cold at night. And then she died. And then you hear her say, Oh, and I just floated through a tree. And it’s like, okay, you’re not walking like a duck or pocket like, are the kinds of walks like a duck and quacks like a duck is probably a duck. So here, we had to just be treated basically, for just what it is, right? This Yeah, and I’m not saying it is what it is, but you treat it as if it is what it is. So this is a being who is saying, I am not the client, I both died. Obviously, there’s no death, which is a very Christian theme. And that the his being is not dead. That spirit latched on to the client, that being died as a baby, but obviously not dead, just that the body while still connected to the mentality was still being a baby at the spirit with the mind still is associated with being that young, and died starving in the woods. Now, every time we started touching upon this part, the client’s arm was violently shaking, when you hear you only hear the audio of this in our schools training. So what were you hearing sounds like wings flapping. So it’s actually kind of freaky, but really, it’s just your hands, like quivering on that says she was shaking to death from the cold dying, hungry as a little baby. The model in hypnotherapy is that you heal this part, this being that is there for every reason that you can do so because if someone walks in your office, it’s your job to help them. It doesn’t matter who it is, whether it’s your client or something that’s latched on to your client. This if we buy into this is what it sounds like it is although you don’t have to believe this is what it is. Then you can say, Okay, this is little spirit who has latched on to the client. And let’s help me heal this part that’s helping you feel better. And then let’s send it off into a light. That’s not a casting out. That’s loving and transforming and educating and, you know, calling in angels and spirit guides and letting the beam go up into the light, when the that being was transformed and released is a better way. Instead of saying cast down, the client lost 60 pounds, not overnight, but rapidly. None of that shaking ever occurred again during our sessions. And the childlike giggling that really strange sense of emotional immaturity just dropped away three major symptoms for cleared through one empty release concession. And this is a very gentle case, there is the stuff that sounds and appears to be in a demonic category to know, why don’t we treat it as it is anyway. Because even if it is just a part of the person’s psyche, because they don’t believe in any of this entity stuff, it’s just a part of our psyche to make something up, or it’s a past life self, it doesn’t really matter. Our model is because the subconscious mind doesn’t know fact from fiction, we deal with it, I would say treat but more medical term. So I’ll just say we deal with it, as it presents itself to other walks like a duck and quacks like a duck treat it like it’s a duck, if they say they’re being abducted by aliens treated as if they’re being abducted by aliens. So in the casting out of demons, in the releasing of entities, from the clients energy field, we noticed significant physiological and psychological change. To me there for having training and non kind of do that is wonderful. And I can tell you, there’s a lot of other hypnosis trainings that don’t touch upon the topic, and nowhere near as in depth as we do. I’ve had a lot of graduates like, Oh, you know, I’m not ever going to get into that. I’m like, Yeah, well, you just wait and see. And then they just start doing regular hypnosis. And then sometimes they come back and like, okay, I decided not to go through that section. But can I have training in that section now? Because this is coming up? And I don’t know why. But it does. So if you start dealing with the subconscious mind, you will start finding out that there is this phenomenon going on, and it’s been going on for 1000s of years. And again, is to say that Jesus is a hypnotist. I think the general answer for tonight my opinion would be no, again, this is my opinion. I think Christians would be grateful that I said that. However, what I could say is obviously the New Testament speaks of his casting out demons and we as hypnotherapist when the topic come when the theme comes up in the client. We absolutely deal with it directly. We don’t look for it. I would never encourage you guys to make that your first you never advertised or you don’t put up a shingle that says demon hypnotic actress But you want to be trained that when something starts, the first time I saw my client, literally, I mean, it was like there was a demon speaking through this client. And I was scared, and I did not have the training at the time to know what to do with it. So I went and got continuing trainings and different ways and study the phenomenon, read all the books on the phenomena, and then incorporated a lot of that information into our schools training. Because it can be really scary when your client is in hypnosis and their words, you know, they’re speaking Latin, but they don’t know Latin, you know, in a kind of demonic way, can be pretty scary. It doesn’t happen that often. But I am saying about once every six months you’re going full time practice, you’ll probably encounter some degree of this phenomenon. And again, we have very thorough training in it. So if we just go back to Jesus for a moment there when he’s casting out of demons, did he have to believe they existed or not? I don’t know. But did he deal with the issue? As it was presenting itself? It sure seems like the answer would be yes, right? The man comes he seems to be possessed by demons, ours the treatment approach in what we call the phenomenological reality. And what that big word means is you deal are phenomenological really just means how a person perceives something is true for that. That’s just a big word for saying that in neuro linguistic programming, and definitely hypnotherapy that we teach here, you treat it just the way it presents itself, without having to hold any spiritual or religious beliefs on your own, but certainly to work within the client’s reality.

Okay, wow. So there you have it, you know, was Jesus a hypnotist? I mean, I think we can all agree No, because hypnosis wasn’t even really a term or an idea back then, however, was Jesus performing miracles? Well, of course, some will say, Yes, your beliefs or your beliefs, and we don’t claim to tell you what actually happened. But it’s a really fascinating thought experiment, if you will, to go back and look at some of these stories. And then again, try to pull from them what was happening, right, what must have happened in order for these things to take place in order for these miracles to actually happen. And, you know, we look at that and use that to try to help our clients today as hypnotherapist, and it’s just really, really fascinating. So I hope you enjoyed this episode. Please, if you did, make sure you leave us a rating and review on iTunes. We really, really appreciate that. And yeah, thank you so much for listening. I really, I really am grateful for you guys to be here listening to this show. And I hope you were enjoying the content. So if you’re interested in learning more about hypnotherapy, or possibly becoming a hypnotherapist, then head over to our website, www dot Institute of hypnotherapy Comm. We’ve got a lot of free resources there that you can check out and just things that you can dive into, as well as actually you can get involved in the next certification course if you’re interested. You get the first four hours for free. So go ahead and sign up over there on our website. So I appreciate you being here. Remember, choose happiness, my friends, and I’ll catch you on the next one.